[00:00:00] Adam Walker: From Susan G Komen, this is Real Pink, a podcast exploring real stories, struggles, and triumphs related to breast cancer. We’re taking the conversation from the doctor’s office to your living room.
[00:00:17] We have some very special guests on the show today. We’re happy to welcome back Paula Schneider, and today she’s also joined by her two daughters, Zoe and Chloe. Paula faced a triple negative breast cancer diagnosis in 2007 after losing her mother to metastatic breast cancer years before.
[00:00:37] It goes without saying that Paula’s work is beyond personal. Since joining Komen in 2017, Paula has helped the organization usher in new programs, support services, and policies that are having families have a better chance of survival and a greater quality of life. This year Paula has also published a children’s book inspired by her own breast cancer experience, which drops this week on September 2nd.
[00:01:01] Love, stay.
[00:01:02] Paula Schneider: Wait, I have it right here. Look
[00:01:03] at that. Oh, you got it right there. Love. Stay strong.
[00:01:06] Adam Walker: We’re gonna get into that. Alright. I love it. I love it. Love Stays Strong is a book about the strength of a family’s love, especially during times of illness. It’s designed to help parents or caregivers talk to young children about any kind of serious illness in the family.
[00:01:22] Paula, Zoe, and Chloe are here to talk about the experience of how their family dealt with the hard news of Paula’s diagnosis and how it has helped shape how Zoe and Chloe will handle difficult situations with their own young children. Ladies, welcome to the show.
[00:01:36] Paula Schneider: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[00:01:38] Adam Walker: So let’s start out.
[00:01:40] I’m really excited for this conversation. Today we’re talking about parenting through cancer. So let’s start with how you told your girls that you had breast cancer and how old they were at the time, Paula.
[00:01:51] Paula Schneider: Yeah, well it’s never an easy conversation for sure. And uh, I let’s see. It was back in 2007 and I think Chloe was 11 and Zoe was 13 at the time.
[00:02:05] So not little children, and certainly they could understand what went on. Uh, we sat down for a family meeting and I remember very distinctly it was Zoe that said, do you have breast cancer? And I was like, wow. How… actually, yes. How did you know? And it was just something that she had felt or something, but I remember that.
[00:02:29] Adam Walker: So like, she asked you if you had it before you said the words.
[00:02:31] Paula Schneider: Yeah. Do you remember that Zoe?
[00:02:34] Zoe: Yeah, I do remember that. I mean, we were sitting down for a family meeting and tensions were high and I could tell people were upset. So I do remember that moment.
[00:02:47] Paula Schneider: Very, yeah. And my mom had breast cancer, so maybe it was something that, you know, was just prevalent in our family and…
[00:02:54] and that’s what made her think about it. But you know, really difficult to have that conversation. And I wanted it to be as normal as possible. So we had the conversation and it was like, you know, mom’s gonna have to have some treatment, but everything’s gonna be okay. Even though we weren’t really sure that everything’s gonna be okay, but there was no reason to worry the kids at that point.
[00:03:16] Because we didn’t know that everything wasn’t so and it did turn out that everything was so, it was okay. And then we had that conversation and I remember planning it to where we were gonna go do something fun right after. So we went to a Greek festival right afterwards with, you know, some friends of ours.
[00:03:34] And and it just made it a little bit more normal because I wanted them to feel as normal as possible.
[00:03:40] Adam Walker: I love that. I’m curious, uh what’s your memory o of that, Zoe, and then I’d like to hear that from you as well, Chloe.
[00:03:49] Zoe: I just remember mom and dad had said, okay, we’re gonna have a family meeting.
[00:03:53] That’s when the first, you know, kind of alarms in my head went off and my mom was already crying before we sat down. And I remember it so distinctly. I remember the room we were in. My dad looked concerned. My mom was crying, so, so something was clearly wrong. And they told us that she had breast cancer and something inside me knew that something was wrong health wise, and my sister and I had very different reactions.
[00:04:19] Maybe we’ll go into that. But I remember it as if it was yesterday. It was awful. But I’m, I do remember also going to the Greek fair after with our friends, and that was a sense of normalcy as that was kind of tradition for our family. But it was not a fun conversation.
[00:04:37] Adam Walker: Chloe, what was it like for you?
[00:04:40] Chloe: I think one of the things that kind of foreshadowed this conversation is we went on a hike earlier that weekend, and my mom was very athletic. Always has been. We always were as a family and she had to stop like four times during the hike and it just was so unlike her to have to stop. And I don’t know if the emotions were just causing tension and running high, or genuinely just feeling so, you know, sick.
[00:05:04] But that was the day before she told us. And so I think that we, Zoe and I kind of on the back end, knew something was going, was off with my mom. And then when they told us, it kind of made sense and painted a bigger picture for us.
[00:05:18] Zoe: Not to mention my mom had a massive bruise on the side of her body.
[00:05:21] She said she fell in the shower. I don’t know mom, if you remember that.
[00:05:24] Paula Schneider: Yeah. But it was from a, it was from a core needle
[00:05:26] biopsy.
[00:05:27] Zoe: Right. So that’s what we saw on the hike.
[00:05:29] Adam Walker: Okay. Now Zoe, you mentioned that you and your sister had very different reactions. I’d like to hear more about that, if you don’t mind.
[00:05:36] Zoe: Sure. We were polar opposite and it’s kind of funny because I wouldn’t say we’re polar opposite today. Just like as humans, we kind of go about life very similarly. But, I was terrified. I’m sure both of us were, but I did everything I could to kind of escape. I just wanted to continue my normal life.
[00:05:54] As soon as the clock at 6:00 AM every day I was out the door Walking to a friend’s house before school as little time as I could spend at home was like my preferred way of coping, just because I really didn’t want to face it. Whereas my sister was much more involved.
[00:06:10] Adam Walker: Chloe, is that your perspective as well?
[00:06:12] Chloe: Yeah I think we were also at an age where, you know, Zoe was more developed in her friendships and she was able to like, go out and run to different people’s houses. I was a little bit younger and I just wanted to be with my mom. I wanted to sleep with her. I wanted to have every meal with her. I think I like probably went to the bathroom with her.
[00:06:28] So I just needed to be next to her at all times and I think that’s kind of how I coped was to just make sure she was okay every step of the way and like see that progression. So it almost terrified me to leave the house. Wow. Yeah, that’s, those are very different responses. So, so, Paula, I’m curious, what was it like for you to have that conversation with your daughters?
[00:06:54] Adam Walker: Like, what was the emotion like for you?
[00:06:56] Paula Schneider: Horrible. Horrible. That’s the last thing in the world you want to do is tell them that mommy’s sick. And, you know and it’s, you know, a very challenging diagnosis. But you know it’s so interesting how kids react differently. You know, Zoe, uh, even though we are incredibly close, the three of us are incredibly close.
[00:07:15] But for her, it, she wouldn’t want to go to the hospital because she literally, I one time came to the hospital when I had my mastectomy and looked like she was gonna faint. And I said to my husband, you gotta take her home. And, you know, because, but Chloe wanted to look at every stitch. So it’s just different ways of dealing with it.
[00:07:33] And you just learn how, you know the kids have their own internal opportunities and ways that they have to process and you gotta let them do their process. Doesn’t mean anything differently as far as the love of the family and all of that. It’s just, you gotta let them go through it and help them along the way as best you can.
[00:07:54] Adam Walker: Yeah. Let’s talk a little bit more about the processing, if you don’t mind. So, you know, you mentioned. You were kind of trying to avoid it. Uh, what, like what was your process for sort of dealing with it be, I mean, just beyond avoidance?
[00:08:09] Zoe: I just completely blocked it out. I did as much as I could to continue on as a normal teenager.
[00:08:16] I guess I was just 13 at the time I was going into high school.
[00:08:21] I had, I always thought I had just the most perfect life. And honestly, until then we kind of did like everything was so wonderful. And obviously we got through it and we’re much stronger because of it, but I just wanted to continue in my fairytale land and it, that’s what helped me cope.
[00:08:39] I do have a memory of my mom and I going mattress shopping, and this was after my mom, my dad helped my mom shave her hair. That was the first time I saw my mom in a wig and she picked me up from a friend’s house again to go mattress shopping and I don’t know mom if you that, I don’t remember that at all.
[00:08:56] Go ahead. But I was like, oh my God, this is way different than I had ever thought it would be. You know, because I was out the door at 6:00 AM back home before dinner and would go into my room. So it’s just interesting the way, and that’s not the kind of person I am today. Like I love to spend time with my family.
[00:09:13] I love to be involved in every single conversation. So it’s just interesting that was my..
[00:09:17] Paula Schneider: It’s a coping mechanism for you. Yeah.
[00:09:19] Adam Walker: Yeah, that’s good. And Chloe, how about you?
[00:09:23] Chloe: I mean, I think, as I said previously, I just wanted to be by my mom at all times. I remember like coming home from school one day and my dad was shaving my mom’s head because a lot of it chunks had fallen out from the chemotherapy.
[00:09:34] And I wanted to watch the whole thing and just really being ingrained in what was happening in her life, which. Yeah, I similarly, I don’t know if that would be me today, but that’s how I coped with it, was to just see her during every duration of their treatment.
[00:09:50] Paula Schneider: And we, and you know, we’re actually a very funny family minus my husband, but the three of us are very funny.
[00:09:57] And so we had a, we had, and he will think he’s funny. But I remember very distinctly, there was one time I was working with Chloe on, uh, some kind of a computer project. I don’t remember what it was, but I felt like crap. And I was in the middle of chemo and I snapped at her over something and I, she looked at me and I knew she wanted to yell at me because, you know, it was really I was not being kind.
[00:10:22] And she goes, what’s the matter? Did somebody spit in your chemo?.
[00:10:28] It cracked me. It we, I mean we, she doesn’t remember this, but I remember it like it was yesterday because it was so funny. And I said, yes, I, that’s it. I’m pretty sure that somebody spiting my chemo. That must be it. And so, you know, we tried to have humor about this and throughout I, you know, my, my time of being in treatment and, you know, to keep the levity going is A little bit, yeah.
[00:10:53] Adam Walker: That’s a great memory and a great perspective, you know, and a great way to to cope with it.
[00:10:58] Chloe: Sounds like me. I’m glad I didn’t say something worse, so. Indeed. Now, uh, now Paula, I know there’s a history of various cancers in your immediate family. So at what point did the topic of genetic testing come into the conversation for you?
[00:11:15] Paula Schneider: Uh, well, my, my mom never had genetic testing because you know, that was. I don’t remember why or what happened there. I had genetic testing and I did not, do not carry any of the mutations, but I, you know, there’s, so my husband carries BRCA gene mutation just randomly. And that’s, you know, like we weren’t expecting that his sister died of ovarian cancer, so that might have been a clue.
[00:11:44] But she also refused treatment. So what could have happened didn’t happen at that point. Traditional treatment rather. And so when I wanted my husband to take the test just because then we could rule out that the girls would ever have any genetic issues with it. You know, because if he didn’t carry it, and it would just be random if he did.
[00:12:04] But if he’s Ashkenazi Jewish and he, it’s one in 40 in Ashkenazi Jews that carry the BRCA gene mutation. So, you know, I just wanted to rule it out. And then I remember I was at a I was at a gala in New York, one of our galas. And I was, he called me and I was in the bathroom and I answered the phone and he told me that, you know, that he has, he carries a mutation, which for him is not, you know, like he’s, he has regular checkups and things like that.
[00:12:35] But for now it made the girls at a 50 percentile. And Zoe was already in process of getting genetic testing done. When we found that out. So we sort of just let her continue on down the road of getting genetic testing done. And and you know, luckily good luck has on our side, my husband also has an older daughter whose mother died of breast cancer as well.
[00:13:01] And she, none of the girls have the BRCA gene mutation. Thank God. But, you know it’s a, it’s nerve wracking and it’s a big deal to, to get that information. But, you know, some of the best come, a couple of the best days of my life are when they were told me that you know, that they did not carry the BRCA gene mutation.
[00:13:23] And I remember Chloe, I was on pins and needles for, I don’t know, a month waiting for her to get her results back. But I wasn’t talking to her about it because I didn’t want to make it a bigger deal than it was. And then she called me and she said, you know, we’re talking about, I don’t know, just, you know, what we’re having for dinner or whatever.
[00:13:39] And she’s like, oh. And by the way, I got my results back last week, and I and I don’t, uh, I don’t carry any of the mutations. And I literally started to cry and I, she goes, oh my God, were you worried? And I said yes I was worried, but so, but you know, that’s very Chloe too, that it just
[00:13:59] sort of came up.
[00:14:00] Adam Walker: Yeah. I mean, but you hit the worry Well, which is, I mean, that, that’s great. You hit it Well, you know for their sake. So I’d like to hear if you don’t mind, about that experience. Zoe, let’s start with you. I mean, what was your experience like getting that testing done and getting those results?
[00:14:16] Zoe: Extremely nerve wracking. I live in New Newport Beach and Hoag has an awesome breast cancer center where they do all sorts of genetic testing. It’s, honestly, it’s world renowned. I felt like comfortable that I was in the best doctor’s hands, but at the same time, it was just such a long two weeks. And I remember the first appointment, my now husband and my parents came with me, and then again, my parents and my now husband came with me to get my results.
[00:14:44] And it was great news. But my parents at the time had found out that my dad had the BRCA gene and didn’t tell me it was all during the same time. So once my mom and dad heard the news, they were thrilled because, you know, 50 50 chance.
[00:14:59] Adam Walker: Right. And Chloe, how about your experience?
[00:15:03] Chloe: You know, as my mom said, I wasn’t worried.
[00:15:05] It really didn’t bother me. I think because I took the 23 and me test and it actually says whether like you have the ch likelihood of carrying it, and mine said no. And so I, you know, you had done that previously. Yeah, we had done that previously, so I had that on my books for a couple years and Zoe and I ironically have almost like identical DNA according to 23 and me, and she also didn’t carry the the BRCA gene.
[00:15:32] So I was like, you know, if she gets tested and she’s negative, that’s like pretty much good enough for me. But alas, I did get tested right before, or I think it was during pregnancy, I’m not sure. And it was a non-issue, so I didn’t really think to bring it up or to call my mom and tell her because it wasn’t an issue to begin with.
[00:15:52] Yeah.
[00:15:54] Adam Walker: Now, uh, am I to understand Zoe and Chloe, that you each have children as well? Is that right? Yeah. So, uh, so I guess my next question and Chloe, we’ll start with you this time. What have you learned from your experience with your mom about, you know, difficult situations, difficult conversations, talking about difficult things that you want to pass on to your kids?
[00:16:15] Chloe: One of the main things that I really struck with me was transparency is key and, you know, reassuring your kids that we’re gonna do the best that we possibly can to make sure that we all stay healthy. And I mean, my mom, which I know we’ll get into, wrote a book that really illustrates it beautifully on how to tell your kids.
[00:16:34] So if that issue, and I hope it never arises, but if it were to come up, I think that just assuring transparency and making sure that kids know that they’re heard and that they’re seen and answer all of the questions that they may have. And, you know, just trying to spend as much quality and family time as possible.
[00:16:53] Adam Walker: I love that. Uh, Zoe, how about you?
[00:16:56] Zoe: Kind of the same as what Chloe was mentioning. I have a 1-year-old, she has an eight month old, so they’re very young. So God forbid we ever have to have these conversations. I do believe that transparency is key, like she mentioned, but I also think there’s some beauty in not telling your kids everything.
[00:17:11] I mean, thank God my parents didn’t tell me that dad had the BRCA gene a week before I found out. Otherwise I would’ve been, you know, spiraling with no need to spiral. So I think that there’s a fine line. Also, depending on how old your kid is, et cetera, what kind of how your kid is. There’s so many things to take into consideration.
[00:17:29] But I think it’s really family dependent and situational.
[00:17:34] Adam Walker: Yeah. And probably kid dependent as well, right? Their personality. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That’s great. Paula any thoughts, uh, as you reflect back on, you know, that talking with your family about this, any thoughts from you about that?
[00:17:49] Paula Schneider: I, you know it’s one of the most difficult things that you ever have to do. There were if ever I’m in a movie where I have to cry, there’s two, two memories that I would have. One is telling my kids and one was showing my mom, my bald head. Both of those are like, you know really emotional things that happened in my life, but you know, you life throws, you curve balls and it’s how you deal with it.
[00:18:14] There’s so many women that have to make this announcement to their family. And that’s the whole idea behind Komen and what we do is trying to decrease the number of women certainly that have bad outcomes.
[00:18:27] Adam Walker: Yeah.
[00:18:27] Paula Schneider: From breast cancer and you know, we’re doing the very best that we can for that.
[00:18:33] Adam Walker: That’s right. That’s right. Well all right, so Paula, we need to hear more about this book. So, uh, you’ve written a book to help families that are going through tough things, difficult things. Tell us all about it and show us what
[00:18:49] Paula Schneider: you have. Yeah, I’ll the book, I’ll show you the book. It’s very sweet.
[00:18:52] And this is Love Stays Strong. And the artist did not want to draw two kids, so we only have one. But you know, it’s sort of a illustrative, sorry, Chloe, it’s a brown haired daughter. But one of the things was Chloe actually had one of her best friend’s cousins was diagnosed at 30. And I spoke with her mother helped them out as much as I possibly could.
[00:19:17] And there were four women that I spoke with in a very short period of time, other than this one, which would, would’ve made high. But these four women were in their thirties. They all had young children, and they had all been diagnosed. And you know, I, I get hooked up with people all the time to speak to them when they have a diagnosis.
[00:19:34] I always volunteer because it’s always good for people to hear somebody who’s been, come out the other side and it’s been many years. You know we’re doing fine because that’s all you want. All you want to do is be around for your kids. That’s it. Yeah. End of stool. We’ll stop. And I spoke with four women and they were talking about having to go through treatment and losing their hair and so their kids are gonna understand that there’s something mommy does isn’t normally bald.
[00:20:01] And, uh, can, you know, how are they gonna tell their kids? And so I got off the phone with the last one and I was thinking, God, there needs to be a tool. You know, we need to put something on our website about how to tell your children. And then I walked into the other room I said to my husband, I’ve decided I’m gonna write a book.
[00:20:19] And it’s gonna be for Komen and it’s gonna be how women, young women tell their kids. It’s gonna be a children’s book. About how women tell their kids that they have breast cancer and I’m going to be a New York Times bestselling author. And he looked up and he said, oh, I believe you. And I said, okay.
[00:20:36] And I whirled around and left the room. And then I thought, okay, I have no idea how to do this. This is, I’m way out over my skis, but. I usually am so that’s okay. And so I called a good friend of mine who is a New York Times bestselling author. Her name’s Kristin Harmel, and she’s a very well known author, and she’s a young woman that had breast cancer and had to tell small children.
[00:21:00] And I called her up and said, okay, two things. One, I think this is a good idea and there’s a need. And she said, absolutely. I really wish I would’ve had something to help me. And I said, okay. And she said, and I said, and two, should I self-publish? Or, you know, don’t know what to do here? And she’s like, well, let me hook you up with my literary agent, because he’s the one that really made my career and he can help guide you.
[00:21:23] So in the meantime, I put together like the story arc, a PowerPoint about it, you know, like some illustrations, et cetera. And then we met with the with him and he was like, I love the idea. I love the concept. I think it’s a wonderful, great evergreen book that could be useful for generations. And I would love to help you with it, but I’m not the best one for this because I deal with more an adult and this is children’s.
[00:21:49] And so he hooked me up and I ended up with a literary agent who then helped me. Uh, finalize the book to, you know, and I first wrote the whole thing in prose, in, in rhymes, because I write rhymes all the time, and it’s just one of the things I do. But then they said, you know, like, it’s not necessarily good to write it in rhymes in case you want to move it into different languages, and it doesn’t translate.
[00:22:12] Like, okay, get that. And so I rewrote it and I broadened the view because it doesn’t necessarily have to be mommy or breast cancer.
[00:22:23] There is
[00:22:23] one, one page. I mean, you can see that she has short hair here, and there’s one page where it has a picture of, you know, someone getting their head shaved, but it’s all very sweet in the way that we did it and how we discuss the book.
[00:22:38] You know, it’s like if there’s dolphins that are in pods, uh, you have a pod. And my favorite part of this whole thing is my, my dedication, which was, I wouldn’t have made it through the cancer journey without the love and light. Family, Paul, Zoe, and Chloe. And my love for you will always stay strong.
[00:22:57] But this is, I mean, you know, it’s time did you know that our universe is constantly expanding and when we look up at the stars, they’re mixing and moving and flaring and fading just like you grow every day, changes all around us. And then it goes into different pages about did you know that dolphins hang out in pods and pods play together and they care about each other and their family, and you have a family and you have a pod.
[00:23:21] And so it’s very sweet and soft in the way that it talks about it, but it also says, you know, mommy might not be there to pick you up from school or make you your favorite snack or tuck you in at night, but know that you have a support system in, in children’s speak. Right, right.
[00:23:39] Adam Walker: Yeah.
[00:23:39] Paula Schneider: So it’s just a very sweet, heartfelt book.
[00:23:42] And we went to I wrote it in November. In January, we went. Uh, we went out to sell the book to, you know, find a publisher. We had actually a bidding war and all of the proceeds go to Komen and we had a bidding war between Simon and Schuster and Penguin Random House and pen and Children.
[00:24:02] Penguin Children, I’m sorry, random House Children’s and which were all different imprints. Now that I have learned all of these things and I have a literary agent and I have, you know, an imprint and you know, I have a publisher and it’s coming out on September 2nd. It’s on presale now, so it’s also on our website if you want to purchase it.
[00:24:25] Again, it’s Love Stays Strong and a hundred percent of the proceeds. It’s a really lovely gift for anyone out there who has someone who is going through a diagnosis with small children, and it can be a helpful tool. And in the back of the book we also talk about how to tell older children and where to go for the information on our website.
[00:24:47] So, and the things that you may want to say and not say, and you know how to help you through what is a very difficult time in your life.
[00:24:55] Adam Walker: I love that. I love, so it’s a, I want to make sure that I reiterate a couple of quick things, right? Number one, the book comes out the week. This week, the week the podcast comes out.
[00:25:05] Right number. So that’s key. It’s on presale now, I think you said all proceeds go to Susan G Komen.
[00:25:11] Paula Schneider: All the authors proceeds. All my proceeds go to Susan G Komen.
[00:25:15] Adam Walker: Thank you. All the authors proceeds go to Susan G Komen and uh, it’s available I assume all the places people buy books is that.. All
[00:25:22] Paula Schneider: the places people buy books.
[00:25:24] You know you gotta help me become a New York Times bestselling author. Because then the more publicity we get on this, the more people we help and the more money Komen makes.
[00:25:32] Adam Walker: That’s right. I am all for promoting that. You have, uh, I will be promoting this on my social channels for you on your behalf.
[00:25:39] Paula Schneider: So I think should, I think you should remember, Love Stays Strong here. We’re It’s so sweet.
[00:25:43] Adam Walker: Love Stays Strong. All right. Final question that I’d like to ask each of you in turn, if you don’t mind and we’ll start with, uh, with you, Chloe. So what advice would you have for families with a loved one that’s currently in treatment?
[00:25:58] Chloe: My main advice that I would give and hope to inspire others is every day is truly a gift and tomorrow is not promised. And so really cherishing that time that you have with your children and making those small memories count because tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. And I think that’s just the reality of a disease and spending as much time with your family and really just spending as much time with your family as you possibly can.
[00:26:25] Adam Walker: Love that Zoe, how about you?
[00:26:29] Zoe: Mine would be in the words of my mom, find the joy. You have to find the joy every day. Life is hard. People go through really difficult times. Far more difficult, unfortunately, than we had to even go through. So you just have to find the joy.
[00:26:46] Adam Walker: I love that. And Paula?
[00:26:49] Paula Schneider: Oh, well I took both of mine.
[00:26:50] Let’s see. I would say to celebrate the wins. And you know, the things in life that make you happy, right? And to, to just, you know, again, you only have today, that’s all you know about yesterday’s done, tomorrow you don’t know what’s gonna happen. So really enjoy your moments as best you can every day.
[00:27:11] And for me, it’s what spending time with these two beautiful creatures that I have created, I’m taking full responsibility for that. Although my husband did help. And you know and the fun that we have together.
[00:27:25] Adam Walker: That’s beautiful. Well, Paula I so appreciate the work that you do, and I don’t get to say it often.
[00:27:32] So thank you for the work that you do, and thank you for writing this book. I think it’s profoundly important and I think it’s gonna be wildly successful. Zoe and Chloe, thank you for sharing your lives with us for this moment. I know that’s not easy to do and I greatly appreciate it. It benefits all of us.
[00:27:49] So thank you all for being on.
[00:27:59] Thanks for listening to Real Pink, a weekly podcast by Susan G Komen. For more episodes, visit real pink.Komen.org. And for more on breast cancer, visit Komen.org. Make sure to check out at Susan G Komen on social media. I’m your host, Adam. You can find me on Twitter at AJ Walker or on my blog adam j walker.com.