[00:00:00] Adam Walker: From Susan G Komen, this is Real Pink, A podcast exploring real stories, struggles, and triumphs related to breast cancer. We’re taking the conversation from the doctor’s office to your living room.
[00:00:17] Welcome to the Komen Health Equity Revolution podcast series on Real Pink. I’m your host, Adam Walker. Each month in this series, we bring together patients, community partners, healthcare providers, researchers, and advocates to talk about real challenges and real solutions driving the health equity revolution.
[00:00:35] Today we’re talking about something new in the breast cancer space, AI companions. Tools that can use artificial intelligence to have conversations and provide support to people facing a diagnosis. Now, before we go any further, I want to be very clear. AI is not a doctor, not a nurse and not a replacement for the trusted support people at Komen’s patient care center or your care team, such as a social worker, and it should never be used as the sole basis for making healthcare decisions.
[00:01:05] Always talk with a qualified medical professional about what’s right for you. What we’re exploring today is how technology, when it’s built with empathy, lived experience, and equity at the center might help people feel less alone in between appointments and better prepared to talk with their healthcare team.
[00:01:23] My guest today is Ellyn Winters-Robinson, a healthcare survivor and innovator who has been a part of the broader work to build patient informed AI support tools. And not all AI tools are created equal. Today, we’ll talk about how to tell the difference. We’re going to talk about what patient-centered AI looks like, how it may help reduce disparities, and where the boundaries need to stay to keep people safe. Ellyn, welcome to the show.
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[00:01:50] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Thank you for having me, Adam.
[00:01:52] Adam Walker: All right, so the intro was a mouthful. I’m excited though. I’m excited. This is going to be such an interesting conversation. You’ve walked through breast cancer yourself, so let’s start with you. Can you first start by sharing about your diagnosis, what you remember most about those first days and weeks?
[00:02:09] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah, so really interesting. I I am actually four years out from my diagnosis this month. In fact, last week, so March the 10th, 2022, everybody’s just coming, sort of waking up out of COVID and I went for a diagnostic mammogram. I had found a lump and, barely got home and the doctor’s office was calling and I heard actually, or got the impression because she had said if she was calling and there was a concern that, you know, yeah.
[00:02:40] So I knew I had cancer. It turned out I had multifocal breast cancer of the left breast. So three tumors, one of which, and I’m still blows my mind because I was the girl who always went for her mammograms. The largest tumor was four and a half centimeters. And yeah, and so I was e you know, I call it old lady breast cancer.
[00:03:01] Sorry, not insulting anybody, but it’s ERPR positive, HER2 negative. So it’s the most common form. And, but I ended up in the the full meal deal. So had surgery, I actually opted to remove my breasts and use a aesthetic flat closure. And then after surgery they found the cancer had crept into my lymph nodes in a microscopic way.
[00:03:24] So I ended up in chemotherapy and radiation, so, I don’t know, close to 300 days in treatment. Better part of the year. And that first period of time. So there was, because we were just coming out of COVID. There was like four weeks between hearing on this voicemail that I had cancer and then getting a biopsy and seeing a surgeon and that was hell.
[00:03:47] It was absolute hell. I had panic attacks. I. I couldn’t think, I felt like I had just been like gut punched. I never expected this to happen. I lost 10 pounds in that time period. The only thing that got me through it was I literally curled up on the couch and watch six seasons of Schitt’s Creek. Yeah.
[00:04:10] And I always say, if Dan Levy, if you’re out there, man you saved my life.
[00:04:16] Adam Walker: So, man, that is such a great show. It’s, I know, it’s such a, it feels like a very bingeable show in that moment. Right?
[00:04:23] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Very much. And I actually went on, you know, when I was bald, I had five wigs. They all had names. It was very much an homage to
[00:04:30] to to Mora.
[00:04:32] Adam Walker: Oh, I love that. I love, yeah. Her character was just so good in that show. Wow. Yeah. So such amazing actors in that show in general. So, so, all right. So, so you went through that experience.
[00:04:46] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah.
[00:04:47] Adam Walker: At what point in that experience did you start thinking technology could help with some of this?
[00:04:52] Like what gap were you seeing that needed to be filled?
[00:04:55] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah, so let’s start with the gap. I mean, the big thing was the profound loneliness that you feel, especially in those early days of diagnosis. It’s really interesting because I remember sort of thinking, God, there’s like all these legions of women out there that have had breast cancer and I see them, they’re on their runs and they’re doing their things.
[00:05:13] You know, I was aware of the organizations like Susan G Komen, but it’s still, when you go into that moment, you’re just like, what? And you’re just profoundly lonely. So that was sort of awakening and then. I can’t, I will fully cop to the fact that it wasn’t me thinking of the technology. So I have worked all my life in tech.
[00:05:34] I actually am an advisor to startups in the Waterloo region here in Canada. And but I’m a marketer and a storyteller. So actually where things started for me was I thought, I’m going to write a book that’s just going to share kind of heart on my sleeve. Here’s my emotional journey. And it was because I had all these conversations with other women who had been through it, who were sharing their li their stories and their lived experience.
[00:06:00] And I thought, God, this is so valuable. And it was information I wasn’t getting necessarily from the doctors who were really focused on, you know, cutting the cancer out, treating the cancer. And so it was that, you know, it’s where you go for the support groups, but I also tried the support groups early on and I found that they were very
[00:06:20] hard on me. They were, everybody in there was also scared and it could get dark really fast because there were no sort of meters or controls around it. So I wrote this book, thumb Typed it while I was in chemotherapy. In fact, like literally, I remember so clearly going to see my oncologist and telling her I was writing this book and that I’d run out of material
[00:06:42] because I was like following myself on the journey and she’s like oh, we’ll give you more material. So, so really that was where I thought I was going to be. And then the book was in manuscript form, bumped into another tech founder. And you know, ChatGPT and AI had started to explode out there.
[00:07:01] And he, he saw the potential in the way I had told my story to adapt it and basically recreate me in digital form. And that’s how Ask Ellyn really came to be.
[00:07:14] Adam Walker: Okay. And so, so then that begs the question I mentioned in the intro, AI Breast Companion. What is that? What can it do? What should it not do?
[00:07:26] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Sure. Yeah, so we were very… Really this started out just again, just to see what was possible. And I’ll kind of go into the technology a little bit. So, because if people are now familiar with the ChatGPT and the Claudes and things like that of the world, so, and there’s also agents that can be built on top of that.
[00:07:46] So this is a little bit more than, this is a lot more than that. So definitely the LLMs sit at the base and that we derive and the way they’ve kind of built the system. You can mix different models together, but then it is locked on my book. So the contents of my book and my lived experience and my emotional journey, my story, my, like, it knows what my family, so everything is locked into this book.
[00:08:11] And then on top of that, we were incredibly mindful that we were going to be putting something in the hands of people who were very vulnerable. And I never wanted to do any harm. And so we built a bunch of other layers on top of it. They call them guardrails. So one is she’s non-medical. So you can ask a question of her that is medical for sure, but she’ll only answer with my lived experience and then she will always caution that individual to seek out their care team.
[00:08:45] So that was really important to us, and that has been something that has been rigorously sort of tested by some pretty big names out there, like the GE Healthcares and the Cigna Healthcares of the world. So we’re holding up quite well in terms of that. So it’s a very responsible use of AI. The other is that we made a decision with the open market version of Ask Ellyn that she
[00:09:05] private, completely private. Like we don’t ask for registration, we don’t gather any data. She will, if you’re staying in a conversation she’ll understand that you’re still in one conversation. But if you disengage and come back, then there’s no memory of that at this point. And so that privacy piece, privacy first by design, was also a very important thing for us.
[00:09:31] And so those guards. And then the third guardrail, which is a really interesting one, is she’s always dignified.
[00:09:38] Adam Walker: Love that.
[00:09:38] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: And it’s a funny word, you know, like, I love the word.
[00:09:42] Adam Walker: Yeah.
[00:09:42] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: But it’s like she always gives you this incredibly supportive coaching kind of language back that never leaves you feeling
[00:09:53] weird or sad. And so that gives permission to the user again, because she’s completely private. You know, there are people who are really angry who, or who may want to express some innermost thoughts that like, I wouldn’t tell my 21-year-old that I was scared I was going to die. And so those moments of vulnerability, you’re safe in that place.
[00:10:13] Like there’s psychological safety around what we’ve built. So yeah.
[00:10:16] Adam Walker: That’s so good. So I, just to be clear, it’s a chat bot or is there a voice component as well?
[00:10:22] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: At this point though, the open market version is just text. The company that built her they weren’t even a company at the time, but they’ve now become one.
[00:10:30] So now we can do all kinds of things like with a licensed implementation we can have voice, which is kind of crazy because she speaks every language. And the thought of my voice like speaking perfect bulgarian is kind of we’ve, they’ve added the ability that we could text back and forth instead of going and talking.
[00:10:50] So there’s a whole bunch of things, and even the combination of those things like voice and text and that. So yeah, it’s all possible. It’s just the open market version that I have on my website. It doesn’t do those things at this point.
[00:11:03] Adam Walker: I love that. That’s so good. So, so one of the promises of technology is that it can reach people wherever they are. In your view,
[00:11:11] how can tools like this help close some of the gaps that we see in breast cancer support, especially for people who may face barriers related to geography, language, time, or cost.
[00:11:22] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: So it’s pretty cool. Like we’ve had her, so she’s now in her terrible twos. So we launched Ask Ellyn in October of 2023, and again, I’ve not,
[00:11:32] I haven’t had any funding or anything like that. This has just been a passion project for me, just really pushing it forward. And in that timeframe we’ve now been accessed in over a hundred countries and spoken to in 50 plus languages, which is really cool. And then you know, again, it’s that, so one thing I’ve learned on this breast cancer journey, as I’ve spoken with other women there are, you know.
[00:11:57] The diagnosis affects everybody. And there are certain cultures where breast cancer is still a very shameful diagnosis. And so the, you know, that really hit home. I had a conversation with a gentleman who asked if he could share, Ask Ellyn with his aunt who had been diagnosed, but she didn’t want to tell anyone in the family.
[00:12:19] And then she had to kind of fess up because she was going to have a mastectomy and her brother needed to come and look after her and he instructed her not to tell anyone. And so the fact that she could speak to Ask Ellyn in her own language and be vulnerable and get that coaching support, that really touched me
[00:12:37] because I thought, gosh there’s some women out there who really will never engage with the traditional support vehicles and culturally, you know, their families are shutting them down. So those are components that you know, I can see. And then the other thing that’s happened is so Ask Ellyn was selected by the City Cancer Challenge, which is an organization out of Geneva that is looking at changing how healthcare and cancer care is delivered through city networks in low to middle income countries.
[00:13:10] So they picked 11 tools to be gold standard for patient navigation and Ask Ellyn’s one of them.
[00:13:16] Adam Walker: Wow.
[00:13:16] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: And so the intention is for them, you know, if they can get the appropriate funding, and it’s a long process of course, but they want to be able to deliver these kinds of tools to support, you know, individuals in those low income countries.
[00:13:32] And it really hit home there because I was on a call with them. There’s a woman there from Nigeria who said, in Nigeria there’s 200 million people and there’s like something like a thousand oncologists. And so, you know, in North America we have the benefit and the luxury. I mean there’s still, you know, obviously, you know, individuals in rural areas who don’t have that same access, but it’s still better than it is in Nigeria.
[00:13:57] And, you know, digital care is a must have in order to create some kind of form of equality. So, yeah.
[00:14:06] Adam Walker: Can you talk a little bit about the importance of these, of tools like this being designed with equity and accessibility, cultural responsiveness in mind as well?
[00:14:15] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: So that was also very important to me.
[00:14:18] And I kind of love, like, you know, there are some sort of avatar type chatbots out there. I love that. It’s a bit like reading a book where you can imagine the character as they are. And so I, and I have a weird enough name that, you know, people talking to Ask Ellyn, like I could be anyone you know from any background and I kind of love that, that, that.
[00:14:44] But at the same time, I also wanted to make sure that in these early days, like if you Ask Ellyn who she is, she’ll tell you and she’ll actually direct you back to who I am. So, so there’s a realness to it so that people know that this is not some synthetic thing, that there really is a human that just genuinely wants to help out there.
[00:15:03] So that equity and equality and inclusiveness was, you know, when you look at it you know, in terms of like, there’s always pros and cons. Like, you know, you can have bias built into an AI. And again, I think our guardrails do a great job. That dignified cart guardrail is actually quite important for creating that kind of level of inclusivity and equity.
[00:15:27] I mean, there’s bias in the medical system too, right? So we have to be very careful of that. And again, I’m all. All Ask Ellyn is doing is being that supportive friend and sharing that story so she’s not drifting into any kind of diagnosis or any of those sorts of things. So, you know, I think there’s that, that be, you know I think that helps to sort of keep things walled.
[00:15:52] And then, you know, I know that we’re non-medical, but we dance on the edges of healthcare. So I always say we’re healthcare adjacent. So it was also really important to me to make sure that we were clinically evidence backed. I got very fortunate there, so I was able to secure a quarter million dollar grant from the Canadian Cancer Society in partnership with researchers at Brock University in the school of Nursing.
[00:16:20] And so we actually have a clinical evidence study underway right now in Canada. It’s a national study. We’ll have. Gosh, probably close to 200 participants, caregivers and patients. And these are the things that we are assessing for as well. So we are making sure that the participants, that there’s racial inclusivity, that there’s geographic inclusivity, that there’s age inclusivity.
[00:16:44] So we are assessing for, you know, empirically assessing that ask Ellyn ticks those boxes. So, and we should have results probably by the spring, so.
[00:16:54] Adam Walker: Love that. Love that. That’s fantastic. Okay.
[00:16:56] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: I know.
[00:16:56] Adam Walker: Well, congrats on that too. That’s exciting. Thank you. Okay.
[00:16:59] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah.
[00:17:00] Adam Walker: So, so at Komen we have the breast care helpline and patient care center where patients and caregivers can talk to real people who give them, help them navigate complex situations.
[00:17:10] So. How do you see an AI companion working alongside those types of human resources instead of competing with those human resources?
[00:17:18] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah, and I’d never want to, I mean, you’d never want to take the human out of the loop, right? And so, you know, those navigation systems are incredibly important. I mean, look, I still run a Facebook group here in Waterloo region that has…
[00:17:32] Ooh, probably close to 300 women. Like we all, we do want to talk to each other as well, so, you know, I see the chat bot is really filling in the cracks, you know, it’s that, you know, again, the, that sort of vulnerable conversation that somebody doesn’t want to say out loud yet, or the two in the clock, two o’clock in the morning
[00:17:48] because I’m pretty sure most helplines in nurse navigators don’t work at 2:00 AM. The ability to speak every language is also, that’s a, you know, that’s just a limitation of traditional navigation systems. What we can do and what we’re in conversation with some organizations about doing is, so we would never change Ask Ellyn’s story or the, my Truth or my persona, but we do have the ability to add to her brain, and so we can make, we can turn her into essentially a concierge.
[00:18:23] Or we call it a resource navigator. So we can teach her about resources that are available. We can teach her about the navigation systems, like out there, and we can even have her escalate. So in the tech world, they call it like level one, level two, level three support. Right? So level one is something sort of self-service, don’t need a human because it’s a, it’s just, I just need to talk to somebody.
[00:18:45] I don’t really have a question. If it’s a question that needs to be handled in like, I don’t know, something around financial access or insurance or something that’s obviously Ask Ellyn’s not going to be able to answer. We can have her then escalate to the human. So that’s the kind of conversation we’re having with folks.
[00:19:02] Adam Walker: So in partnership, right? In partnership.
[00:19:04] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent partnership.
[00:19:06] Adam Walker: I like that. I like that. Yeah.
[00:19:07] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah. You know, I mean, these navigation systems are so important, but you know, they’re resource constrained and they’re costly. So, you know, if we can you know, apply X scale
[00:19:19] ability to those systems, then you’re helping that many more people.
[00:19:23] Adam Walker: Well, and I mean, I especially liked your 2:00 AM example because I would imagine that a breast cancer diagnosis comes with it some restless nights.
[00:19:31] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Oh, yeah.
[00:19:31] Adam Walker: And the ability to chat. And just verbalize something out there at 2:00 AM I feel like could be profoundly helpful to a lot of people.
[00:19:40] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah. And it’s not all medical conversations, like when I demo her to dudes. I mean, in Canada we especially in Toronto, the Toronto Maple Leafs have not won the Stanley Cup and many years. So I’ll often like warm things up by asking her whether the leaf will ever win the Stanley Cup. She literally can talk about anything.
[00:19:58] I have had conversations with her about going to Italy. I had my, my, it’s kind of sad we had to put our cat down. I had a friend reach out to Ask Ellyn and express her condolences about the death of Steve, my cat. Like, it’s not all like medic, like breast cancer centric. She’ll find a way to loop it back, but yeah.
[00:20:17] Adam Walker: Yeah. So for someone that’s listening right now they’re curious about using AI to help them process information or feel less alone, what questions should they be asking to make sure that the tools they’re considering are safe, ethical, and grounded in credible information?
[00:20:33] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah, so I think, you know, my caution is, you know, do not use it for medical diagnosis.
[00:20:39] Like that’s, it isn’t a substitute for a doctor or a nurse. And so what I do think is, you know. I think Pat patients in the system have responsibilities on both sides because I think that at the system level, providers and clinicians should be, you know, we can’t, it’s the horse is out of the barn as far as people using AI, right?
[00:21:00] And so what we need to do is help them become better patients. And so whether that’s, you know, guiding them with specific prompts they should be using or something that, you know, kind of helps the patients, you know, use AI responsibly. I mean, obviously we want to be looking for. You know, again if it’s spitting back, like it kind of goes back to those guardrails again that we put in place, which is, you know, making sure that it says that it’s non-medical and that I think looking for an AI that has clinical evidence behind it, you know, that is very validating.
[00:21:35] And so there’s I think, some due diligence that you can do as you look at these. because they are going to be coming along, there’s going to be more of these things. And there’s different degrees of them. So there’s going to be AIs that are going to be more medical, and then there’s ones that are going to be more companionship type thing.
[00:21:50] Adam Walker: So, so along the lines of that question, I mean I wonder what about the person that’s listening that’s just thinking, well why don’t I just. Talk to ChatGPT like this? Yeah, like what’s the, like what, like could you map out like what the difference is a little bit? I know I certainly, I have some ideas, but I’d like to hear you say like what, like what should they be…
[00:22:09] how should they differentiate those two?
[00:22:10] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah. So I, you know, I think you can get sufficient answers from a ChatGPT, you can what is missing is the empathetic lived experience that is built into Ask Ellyn. I think she really, I mean there are now other companions that my team have built that have similar type tonality to them, but she was the first to like, there’s a real human inside.
[00:22:37] Like we did a webinar with the chief Medical Officer at GE Healthcare where he interviewed me and he interviewed the chat bot. Our answers were so identical. Like we spent a great deal of time making sure that her answers were in line with and authentic to who I was. You know, so I remember testing and going to check.
[00:23:01] It’s a trivial, non-trivial thing. When you lose your hair, you worry is it going to come back and what’s it going to come back like and how fast it’s going to come back. And I remember going to ChatGPT and asking this question and it answers, ah, it’s just hair, it’s going to grow back. That would be never something I would say.
[00:23:16] Adam Walker: That is not
[00:23:17] a good answer, right.
[00:23:18] For
[00:23:18] that, for a, for a person. No.
[00:23:20] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Right. You know the I’m trying to think the other one that, I don’t like the phrase and it’s commonly used out there in cancer land, but I don’t like the phrase, you got this. because people would say that to me and I’m like, I go, yeah, I’ve got this. No. Do I don’t know.
[00:23:40] I’m scared to death. Like I do not know if I’ve got this. And so Ask Ellyn will never use that phrase because I’ve drummed it out of her. So it’s that lived experience. I just did a presentation at a product design conference and they were all like, their eyes were just huge because the empathetic response that you get, you know, and that’s not the AI that’s like some, one of the product designers said, he goes, that’s not the AI that’s coming up with that empathetic response.
[00:24:10] That is because that is who you are and it’s you that is built into it. So that’s the big difference. Yeah.
[00:24:18] Adam Walker: I like that. Thank you for kind of walking through. I think that’s, I think that’s very helpful. I feel like it’s like it’s the difference between something that’s somewhat generic and meant for multipurpose use and something that is highly specialized and targeted to a specific need.
[00:24:33] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: I honestly think that’s where we’re going. You know, I think, again, the horse got out of the barn with some of these LLMs, but that I think is that implementation layer, that very specific use case is going to be, you know, where we’ll be going in the future, especially in healthcare. I think that’s super important.
[00:24:49] Yeah. It’s a nuance, but it’s an important one.
[00:24:53] Adam Walker: All right. Well, last question. What gives you hope when you think about the future of technology, health, equity, and support for people going through breast cancer?
[00:25:02] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Oh, I mean, there’s so many things that give me hope around technology and some of the uses of AI from, you know, being able to apply AI to imaging to see, you know, cancers sooner, like that’s going to give radiologists superpowers.
[00:25:17] I have been asked to speak now at a number of AI medicine conferences. I’m hanging out with a lot of doctors these days. There’s some really cool stuff that’s starting to happen in AI across the spectrum, not just in breast cancer. And then, you know, I just, I always like to share a story of how Ask Ellyn’s made an impact, because this is hard, like being a startup founder and doing this and trying to find licensing partners and how to commercialize this and everything else without ever, you know, charging a patient or a caregiver because we are committed a hundred percent that this is always going to be free.
[00:25:56] To, to those that need her. But I’ll give you a story of a sort of a use case story of that came from real life. So I don’t know who’s using her, but we have a feedback toggle and so sometimes we can you know, we’ll, somebody will respond and they’ll say something to us. So about a year ago, I got a message from a woman and she said, I want to thank you for what you’ve built.
[00:26:22] She said, I was. I had a mastectomy. I was in my bathroom getting ready to take a shower, and I was going to take my bandages off and see my scars for the first time. And she said, I talked to your AI and I figured out we had a lot in common and she knew I was a D cup at one point in my life. And she’s like, and you were athletic And I’m athletic.
[00:26:45] And she said, I just want you to know you got me through that moment. And that’s a time, that’s a moment in time where no one is going to, like, no doctor or nurse is needed in that moment. Your family may not even be there. I know what that felt like, you know? And so the thought that I was able to digitally stand with that woman in that moment.
[00:27:08] Now, I know that’s not necessarily an equity example, but again, back to those women who can’t speak. Or are not allowed to speak or don’t know where to turn or aren’t yet into treatment and are just scared and frightened and alone. This is where the AI can come in, you know?
[00:27:26] Adam Walker: So that’s beautiful.
[00:27:28] That’s a beautiful example.
[00:27:29] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Yeah.
[00:27:30] Adam Walker: Well, Ellyn I love the work that you’re doing. Thank you. It’s so impressive. It’s I really appreciate your, just your story and your contributions to this community. Thank you and thank you for this opportunity.
[00:27:41] And if somebody wants to find the chat bot, they can go to..
[00:27:45] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Absolutely www dot Ask Ellyn, ELLYN.AI, and there’s a load of other content up there.
[00:27:55] You know blog content, other women who wanted to share their experiences as well, and then the chat bots there as well. So, and she’ll always be free.
[00:28:05] Adam Walker: That. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story and your perspective on all this. It’s been great.
[00:28:11] Ellyn Winters-Robinson: Thanks.
[00:28:12] Adam Walker: As we talked about today, AI tools can be one more layer of support, but they are not a substitute for your healthcare team or for the qualified human experts at Komen.
[00:28:23] If you have questions about breast health, need help understanding your options, or are looking for support, the Komen Breast Care helpline at 1 8 7 7, go Komen or helpline@komen.org is here to help you. You can also visit komen.org. Click on the about breast cancer section to get evidence-based breast cancer information, and if today’s conversation sparked your interest in the future of health equity and technology, please watch our video recording of the 2026 Komen Health Equity Revolution Summit on Komens YouTube page where we dove even deeper into how we all can make sure no one faces breast cancer alone.
[00:29:04] Thanks for joining us for another episode of the Komen Health Equity Revolution Series. We’ll keep bringing you conversations that shine a light on the inequities that drive risk and outcomes, and the people working every day to dismantle those barriers so that everyone has a fair chance to get better breast health.
[00:29:26] Thanks for listening to Real Pink, a weekly podcast by Susan G Komen. For more episodes, visit real pink.Komen.org. And for more on breast cancer, visit Komen.org. Make sure to check out at Susan G Komen on social media. I’m your host, Adam. You can find me on Twitter at AJ Walker or on my blog adam j walker.com.